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PostSubject: 1.9 comp rules   Sat 15 Dec 2007, 20:25

haven't seen this discussed yet. The terms 1.9 and Scale have been used interchangably here. Just want to get some clarification on where the club stands as far as discerning the two.

To me scale should be:

Obviously, 1.9

Largely uncut body I.E. the wheels should be in the wheel wells and the fenders should not be excessivly cut...if cut at all!

Suspension should be compatible to the body = no 4 links on a chevy truck, etc.

winch.... i think a scale truck should have a functional winch or a tow strap (and run the courses with a rescue vehicle "partner" just like they did in augusta

Tires: 1.9 tire options are out there, i have mixed feelings on cut N shut tires for scale trucks.

Bumpers: a must on a scale truck.

The other Catagory would be simply 1.9, same rules as 2.2. Kinda like an open class for the scale trucks no use of winch or recovery vehicle

it would eseentually create three classes. However, the scale class would run on the same course as the 1.9 unlimited so no need to make a scout and create new courses for the two. In fact, a 1.9 should almost be able to do the 2.2 courses, maybe with some rock stacking and re routing between 2.2 and 1.9 classes. should speed the events up quite a bit instead of having to create totally new courses for the supers like we used to do.

Any thoughts on how we want to run, score and classify 1.9s
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sat 15 Dec 2007, 23:33

Since this is a comp related discussion should it not be in the comp section???
hey there

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Scale should have part of the body or a bumper past the leading edge of the front tire and past the trailing edge of the rear. Wheel wells should match wheel base.

Tires
1.9 wheels and outside diameter no larger then 4.5".

Winch
Winching should be legal, but not a must.

Suspension
No limits, if it has to be body appropriate no FJ cruisers could run a solid front axle etc....

Having the use of a recover vehicle basically defeats the purpose of using a competition format. It sound like fun, but probably more appropriate for a GTG, not a comp.

Those are my thoughs, but this is Tony's divission and I look forward to his input.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sat 15 Dec 2007, 23:51

ok i think it should be 1.9 scalers
should have atleast 1/2 tires under body,no cut bodies.
hard body is a + but not required. some dont like the hard bodies that are out there.
suspension i agree on this one. chevy's leafs all around
winching allowed,but with reverse rules.
bumpers(or atleast something)should have to pertrude from rear and front.unless torn off during run. then it will be ok for the rest of the runs.
and should definately look as close to real as possible.

i think these rules should really see who can drive.lol

and this is my opinions. maybe we should vote on the suspension things,but the rest should stay.but i do like leafs.harder to drive and really test you. leave all the articulating to the comp rigs.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sat 15 Dec 2007, 23:55

Sorry to hear that Doug can not run then, he has a 4 linked Clod bodied Scale Truck. And my father-in-law can not rubn because he has a independent suspension Chevy bodied truck.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:12

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Sorry to hear that Doug can not run then, he has a 4 linked Clod bodied Scale Truck. And my father-in-law can not rubn because he has a independent suspension Chevy bodied truck.

that is why i said we need to vote on that part. i will run leafs like always in 1.9. i dont care what others do. if i even build another one with the way things are going in my life. i have still been there and stuck with it no matter what the case was.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:31

Hey Tony

I hope your situation get better ASAP.

Hey all;

We should have the scale truck put the battery on the chassis (not the axles).
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:31

OK. I don't realy like to get into all of this but I think a SCALE truck should be any thing that can be driven on the street only scaled down to 1/10th the size or as close as possible. There are all kinds of newer Yotas and chevys and others driving around out there with leaf sprung straight axle conversions and also alot of 4 linked yotas and other such vehicles. There is a such thing as a street legal purpose built rig.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:32

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OK. I don't realy like to get into all of this but I think a SCALE truck should be any thing that can be driven on the street only scaled down to 1/10th the size or as close as possible. There are all kinds of newer Yotas and chevys and others driving around out there with leaf sprung straight axle conversions and also alot of 4 linked yotas and other such vehicles. There is a such thing as a street legal purpose built rig.

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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:35

Great point Scott;

So that means a 4 linked C10 pickup (clod Body) should be cool, because there is such a thing in the real world.

Am I understanding this correctly?
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:37

That is what I think scale should be. Any thing that is street legal.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:48

KrawlDaddy520 wrote:
That is what I think scale should be. Any thing that is street legal.

right right. street legal is with lights and all. lol jk guys. i will run leafs either way.atleast on front.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 00:54

I still got them all around. It's hard to drive but alot of fun. I will have my lights hooked up some time in the near future hopefully.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 02:14

then you guys would run in a 1.9 unlimited. if you wanna run an FJ cruiser or newer chevy, there are chassis options you can run that will give you indy front susp.

i didnt want to start an arguement on what is considered scale. But just so the club is clear, a 4 linked chevy or cruiser is not scale. The guys on RCC have started a bad trend of using the "scale" word very loosely. kinda like calling any 4x4 a jeep. The crawling world is new to scale building. take a scale vehicle in any other rc sport and wont find anything modified highly beyond "factory" build.
Like i suggested, why not run a scale and a 1.9 unlimited class on the same courses at the same time. wont take any longer.

I like the idea of a point for winching. I htink the recovery vehicle is important for a tow point and assisting over obsticles. you wouldnt wheel on a trail by yourself.

you want a 4 link chassis, throw a jeep or LR3 body on it.

there are options to please both the 1.9ers and the scalers.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 08:07

if Randy told Tony he was over the scale class shouldnt them 2 set the rules ?
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 09:34

Hey Doug;

Tony is making the policy, this thread is just an open discussion. And your input welcome.

Hey all;

Requiring suspension to be same as production limits the number of body and chassis combinations youcan use.

I do understand that this makes sense from a 'scale' point of view. But it very much limits the diversity. I think that as long as your tires match up with the wheelwells and part of your tire is under the body, it should be up to the driver how the suspension moves.

Another question? Is a Dig setup going to be allowed, I would say no.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 10:22

does your body choice have a selectable transfer case?

If tony sets the rules...the discussion is over, he said his policy already.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 10:36

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If tony sets the rules...the discussion is over, he said his policy already.

This kind of philosophy does not work in a club format. Especially a successfull one. We all need to discuss things in a civil manor. And in the end vote on things as a group. This is how a club keeps it's members happy. So please stop speaking for others. Your views do not represent the rest of the group.

Let's continue our discussion on how the 1.9 rules should look.

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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 10:47

Jason from RCC I think said it best. A picture of a scale truck should make you look twice. In other words if you didn't know any better you would think it is a 1:1.

So like Scott said, anything you would see on the street. Or over on the trails at Uwharrie. But I think the guidelines are important. This set of rules or specs should be gone over carefully. Otherwise you will have a free for all.

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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 11:31

BigRedB2 wrote:
does your body choice have a selectable transfer case?

If tony sets the rules...the discussion is over, he said his policy already.



Man, how about that for a dictatorship! The discussion is over huh? Damn who are you the forum Police? The last time I checked this was a club member's funded forum so that would mean that everyone has a right to say what they will without the "forum Police" shooting them down by saying the dsicussion is over as long as it isn't harmful to other club members.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 11:42

hey all;

Tony has the wisdom to take part in a dialogue, rather then dictate his view.

As I said to Doug in this thread, this is supposed to be an open dialogue, from which a set of guidlines can be derived that will allow the club to run the 1.9 trucks in a comp enviornment.

If this is such a problem, 1.9s should run at GTG and run 2.2 and Supers at comps. That way all the bitching that has happened in the last two days would stop.


That would also mean that Reid would not have to be 'little worried'
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 11:54

Hey guys. I apologize if I shouldn't post as I am not a full member but why not just start with the rules found here for 1.9 - http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9792 and adapting to what the club wants. These rules appear to be the rules for a couple other clubs. And I'm sure you are all familiar with these but it may help eliminate confusion to use these as a foundation. I hope to attend a few more of the comps you guys host and look forward to running a 1.9, and I stick to these rules the best I can.

Sorry again if I shouldn't have posted, and for all I know you may already be using these rules, I just didn't see it posted in this thread.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 12:04

'04 Rubicon wrote:
Hey guys. I apologize if I shouldn't post as I am not a full member but why not just start with the rules found here for 1.9 - http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9792 and adapting to what the club wants. These rules appear to be the rules for a couple other clubs. And I'm sure you are all familiar with these but it may help eliminate confusion to use these as a foundation. I hope to attend a few more of the comps you guys host and look forward to running a 1.9, and I stick to these rules the best I can.

Sorry again if I shouldn't have posted, and for all I know you may already be using these rules, I just didn't see it posted in this thread.

I think it is a good idea to adopt a set of rules like that. Of course it can be adjusted to suit our group. But in all that would make things much easier.

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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 13:32

Good find 04 rubi, thats what i was trying to recall when i started the thread.


gumby092778 wrote:
if Randy told Tony he was over the scale class shouldnt them 2 set the rules ?

i wasnt trying to close the discussion, it was just a poorly formed sarcastic response to this.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 14:09

advanced adapters makes a twin stick transfer case "atlis 2" that will bolt to about any tranny you want and your avrage joe blow with a welder and tortch can 4 link any thing on the street i have seen a jeep cj7 4 linked with coil overs that would articulate about as high as my head it was a production jeep with after market parts so i dont see why a c10 cant be linked and run in scale
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PostSubject: Re: 1.9 comp rules   Sun 16 Dec 2007, 14:32

gumby092778 wrote:
advanced adapters makes a twin stick transfer case "atlis 2" that will bolt to about any tranny you want and your avrage joe blow with a welder and tortch can 4 link any thing on the street i have seen a jeep cj7 4 linked with coil overs that would articulate about as high as my head it was a production jeep with after market parts so i dont see why a c10 cant be linked and run in scale

I don't think anyone is arguing that point Doug. Hell if I had $200,000 I could build a street legal rock buggy. That is not the entire issue. I think everyone would just like a set of rules so it is fair. In other words a leaf sprung truck will be able to compete with a 4 linked rig. Otherwise you will end up with just another 1.9 comp class. That would more or less take away the meaning of the word scale.

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